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Restructuring

The subsections U.N. condemnation, MacBride commission and Israeli Kahan commission are listed under the section "Postwar testimonies by Lebanese Forces operatives" despite having nothing (or very little) to do with the testimonies. I propose to restructure the article to move the postwar testimony paragraph to a subsection of "Role of various parties" and to rename the section about the UN condemnation and the two mentioned commissions to something along the gist of "International Response and Investigations".

Sharon libel suit

I think it is worth mentioning that Sharon pursued a similar suit against Time in an Israeli court, which was settled by both parties with compensation which was reported as substantial ("Neither party would disclose the amount of the payment, but the Israeli radio reported that the figure was substantial" - https://www.nytimes.com/1986/01/23/nyregion/time-magazine-and-sharon-settle-the-libel-suit-he-filed-in-israel.html).

Infobox

I undid this revision by @TRCRF22 because I believe this event is frequently characterized by the majority of sources as a massacre but not as a “genocidal massacre”. There are accusations of genocide, but it is not the preponderance of reliable sources. Wafflefrites (talk) 23:34, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reinstating Spelling Alternate

I propose to reinstate the following edit to the lede:

(also known as the Sabra and Chatila massacre)^[1]^[2]

Six years ago, I posted to this Talk page the proposed edit. After waiting for feedback, I made the edit. In January 2023, a user made a number of edits to the lede, including removal of the alternate spelling. Feedback is welcome.Te Karere (talk) Te Karere (talk) 03:03, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I added a footnote for this. And Sabra and Chatila massacre already exists as a redirect to this article. That seems fine to me. IOHANNVSVERVS (talk) 06:43, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Israeli role

Seems that the Israeli role in the massacre is underreported in the article. According to Rashid Khalidi in his hundred years of war book: "However, documents released by the Israel State Archives in 2012 and the unpublished secret appendices to the Kahan Commission reveal even more damning evidence of these individuals' culpability, which was far greater than the original 1983 report lays out. The documents expose long-deliberated decisions by Sharon and others to send the practiced Phalangist killers into the Palestinian refugee camps, with the aim of massacring and driving away their populations." Makeandtoss (talk) 10:07, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

"If Sharon's forces did not carry out the actual slaughter, they had nonetheless armed the LF to the tune of $118.5 million, trained them, sent them to do the job, and illuminated and facilitated their bloody task with flares." Makeandtoss (talk) 10:08, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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“Change ‘As the massacre unfolded, the IDF received reports of atrocities being committed, but did not take any action to stop it’ to ‘As the massacre unfolded, the IDF received reports of atrocities being committed and they acted, but late and inadequately’” ^[3]Some attempts were made to stop the Phalangists, although they were delayed: On Friday morning (September 17), Brigadier General Yaron and Major General Drori ordered the Phalangists to halt their operation. Chief of Staff Eitan later confirmed that pressure (including from the U.S.) led to the order for the Phalangists to leave the camps by early Saturday 2.54.175.108 (talk) 14:54, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

^ International Commission (1983). "Israel in Lebanon: Report of the International Commission to Enquire into Reported Violations of International Law by Israel during Its Invasion of the Lebanon". Journal of Palestine Studies. 12 (3): 117–133. doi:10.2307/2536156. Retrieved 14 October 2018.
^ Sassòli, Marcus; Bouvier, Antoine; Quintin, Anne. "ICRC/Lebanon, Sabra and Chatila". How Does Law Protect in War. International Committee of the Red Cross. Retrieved 14 October 2018.
^ Malone, Linda A. (1985). "The Kahan Report, Ariel Sharon and the Sabra Shatilla Massacres in Lebanon: Responsibility Under International Law for Massacres of Civilian Populations". Utah Law Review: 373–433. Archived from the original on 17 April 2023. Retrieved 1 January 2013.

[JPS1983-1] International Commission (1983). "Israel in Lebanon: Report of the International Commission to Enquire into Reported Violations of International Law by Israel during Its Invasion of the Lebanon". Journal of Palestine Studies. 12 (3): 117–133. doi:10.2307/2536156. Retrieved 14 October 2018.

[Sassòli-et-al-2] Sassòli, Marcus; Bouvier, Antoine; Quintin, Anne. "ICRC/Lebanon, Sabra and Chatila". How Does Law Protect in War. International Committee of the Red Cross. Retrieved 14 October 2018.

[3] Malone, Linda A. (1985). "The Kahan Report, Ariel Sharon and the Sabra Shatilla Massacres in Lebanon: Responsibility Under International Law for Massacres of Civilian Populations". Utah Law Review: 373–433. Archived from the original on 17 April 2023. Retrieved 1 January 2013.

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